Let's End This Debate Already

We are tired of hearing this debate, is the ACC or the Big East a better conference? Before the year started everyone said hands down the BE. Now that the top few teams have lost a game or two in the conference everyone is jumping on the ACC ship. I don't give much credence to anything Jay Bilas or Coach K say about the debate, but both think the ACC is stronger up top. Now I really disagree with this so decided to take the subjectivity out of the argument. After all, I am a diehard Pitt fan. So, what we decided to do was look at the top three teams in each conference and at their toughest stretch of 10 games. We assigned point values for each game. A game vs. a top 10 team would earn a team 7 points. A game vs. a top 25 team would earn a team 5 points. If the team is not ranked, but has a winning record, they were awarded points as follows. For at least 3 times as many wins as losses gets 3 points. For double the amount of wins than losses gets 2 points. For a simple winning record gets 1 point. And for a .500 or losing record that matchup gets 0 points.

BIG EAST

Ranking	Record	Pts.
9	14-3	7
8	17-3	7
NR	14-4	3
20	15-4	5
19	12-5	5
NR	8-12	0
NR	14-4	3
NR	13-7	2
3	17-1	7
NR	8-12	0
		39

Ranking	Record	Pts.
NR	8-12	0
NR	13-6	2
9	14-3	7
8	17-3	7
NR	9-9	0
4	17-1	7
NR	7-12	0
10	17-2	7
19	12-5	5
4	17-1	7
		42

Ranking	Record	Pts.
12	12-5	5
19	12-5	5
4	17-1	7
9	14-3	7
NR	13-6	2
NR	14-4	3
20	15-4	5
3	17-1	7
12	12-5	5
20	15-4	5
		51

As we can see the lowest score is awarded to Pitt with 39. Syracuse at 51 and UCONN at 42 have extremely high schedule scores.

ACC

Ranking	Record	Pts.
1	16-1	7
NR	7-9	0
9	16-2	7
NR	14-4	3
5	17-2	7
NR	15-6	2
1	16-1	7
NR	13-6	2
NR	13-5	2
NR	16-4	3
		40

Ranking	Record	Pts.
5	17-2	7
NR	15-6	2
9	16-2	7
NR	13-5	2
2	18-1	7
NR	9-9	0
NR	14-4	3
NR	15-6	2
NR	10-7	1
NR	16-4	3
		34

Ranking	Record	Pts.
1	16-1	7
NR	7-9	0
NR	14-4	3
9	16-2	7
NR	16-4	3
NR	10-7	1
NR	13-6	2
NR	7-9	0
2	18-1	7
NR	14-4	3
		33

Only Duke with a 40 schedule score is higher than any BE teams. The others Wake and UNC are not even close to their Big East Counterparts.

So, we have proven that a ten game stretch in the BE is something that ACC teams don't really have to face. Would UNC or WAKE have nearly as good of a record if their schedule score was a 51? I highly doubt it. The point of this all is that yes, the ACC has good teams at the top of their league, but they are no better than BIG EASTS top dawgs, and I argue are slightly worse. What is more impressive how the BE top teams perform vs. their schedules or the ACC? I believe the BE. Also to seal the deal, lets look at the losses of the top teams. UCONN lost to Georgetown a team ranked 12 in the country. Pitt lost on the road to Louisville, a team ranked 9th in the country. Syracuse lost to fourth ranked Pitt, and Cleveland St. Ouch. But that is the worst, and only loss to an unranked team that any of the top 3 teams from the Big East has had. Now the ACC, Duke lost to unranked Michigan. UNC lost to unranked BC at home (who next got spanked by Harvard at home), and to Wake at Wake, a respectable loss. Lastly, Wake lost at home to unranked VT.
So, to put it all in perspective. The Big East's top teams have outperformed those of the ACC against a much tougher league schedule. The top teams have avoided any losses to unranked teams with the exception of Syracuse's loss to Cleveland St. Each team that leads the ACC has lost to an unranked team. The thing about this all is that if you look at the teams that beat Wake and UNC, they were not good teams. But, they had one thing in common. They slowed the game down, played to their pace and defended. This is exactly what the BE teams specialize in but with far far far better talent then BC or VT. If you thought Unc and Wake struggled with these teams, don't you think they would struggle vs. a Pitt or Louisville, or UConn. This is why Clemson never is good in the ACC. They try to play uptempo and get into a track meet with UNC and Wake, which is what most teams in the Acc do. This is why most teams in the ACC get hammered and why UNC and Wake look so good when they play these teams. WAKE and UNC can out talent anyone who wants to get in a track meet. But, make these teams run a set or two, make them run the clock, and challenge them and they have fallen apart. So I argue, that yes, like everyone else says, the BE is way deeper. But, I also think these top teams are better than those of the ACC

Pitt Commit Epps Showing His Worth

Below is a story on Isaiah Epps and his Plainfield squad's game against St. Anthony that was posted on NBE. This story is further evidence of why Epps is a tremendous recruit to have committed at this stage. ESPN has described Epps as a tremendous shooter and a Juan Dixon protege. Based on everything else reported about the kid, including the article below, Epps seems to possess speed and quicks that many other high school gaurds cannot handle. He seems to be a tremendous fit for the program and this continues Pitt's trend of raising the talent of their recruits. Epps and his teammates overtook St. Anthony's and Dominic Cheek, whom Pitt was heavily involved with before he committed to Nova. I know you never want to lose out on a player like Cheek but it may have helped Pitt get Epps who should be the point guard of the future. You have to love that he outdueled Cheek in this matchup. Maybe this is just a foreshadowing of Villanova Pitt matchups in the coming years.

Here's the story:

Plainfield Edges Top Ranked St Anthony’s 51-48

The organizers of the Dan Finn Classic saved the best match-up for last Saturday. Third-ranked St. Anthony’s took on 16th-ranked Plainfield in a matchup that pitted Bobby Hurley’s finesse laden team versus the speed of Jeff Lubreski’s team, particularly in Tyrone Johnson and Isaiah Epps. This game would be a close one but speed can kill.

Anthony Baskerville and Epps would come out shooting early on. Two-thirds of Plainfield’s rugged backcourt would put Plainfield up by as much as 9 points, leading 12-3 over the Jersey City school. Bobby Hurley’s squad however would come right back with the play of Elijah Carter, Jamee Jackson, and Villanova-bound Dominic Cheek, cutting the Plainfield lead to 12-10 at the end of the first quarter

In the second quarter it was more intense play, but still relatively low scoring because of good defense and speed. With the help of Tyrone Johnson’s nine points Plainfield would continue their slight edge with 25-20 lead heading into intermission.

St. Anthony’s would make the game a real nail-biter for both head coaches in the third quarter. The Friars would mount a comeback behind the play of Jamee Jackson and take a slight lead 35-34 lead through three quarters.

In the fourth quarter 2010 Pittsburgh-commit Epps and sophomore his sophomore backcourt mate Johnson would make the mostly pro-Plainfield crowd happy. In the quarter that was full of lead changes, and by far the most action, Epps would hit for 13 of his game high-high 17 points, and Johnson would add in 7 of his 16. The Friars weren’t giving up though, Jamee Jackson and Cheek worked furiously to counter their Union County rival. However despite Cheek’s 8 points in the final quarter, the game was over when Cheek, whose team was down 50-48 with under 10 seconds left, intentionally missed a free throw and it landed in the hands of Plainfield’s Jabrial Elliot thus icing the game and giving Plainfield the victory by a final of 51-48.

Dom Cheek would lead the Friars on the day with 12 points, and teammate Jamee Jackson would add in 11.

Epps had 17 and was very efficient with good shot selection and ball-handling throughout. Johnson added 16 and played very good defense on Cheek at key situations that helped Plainfield pull out the win.

Dumb Comment of the Week: Paul Harris

There is a proverb: Don't speak unless you can improve the silence.
Somebody needs to tell Paul Harris this. Tonight Pittsburgh turned in one of their less impressive offensive showings of the year with all the turnovers. Yet, inspite of this sloppy play the Panthers dominated the Orange by the games end. Which brings us to Paul Harris and his post game quote:

"Man I hope we play Pitt again,"
"I hope we get them in the Big East
tournament. We will beat them. I can
promise you that. We will beat them
the next time."

That is awful big talk from a team that got smacked in the mouth down the stretch. Mr. Harris I think you may have just made a few other people excited about a rematch, and they won't be wearing orange but rather blue and gold. I would be willing to bet my house that if the Panthers meet the Orange again that quote will be posted on every billboard in the locker room. So props to Paul, piss off a more talented team that already handled the Cuse with a less than impressive performance. (Not to mention, that Pitt has dominated Cuse over the past few seasons). This should come across as no surprise however after watching the game. Harris seemed more interested and well suited for a verbal battle than a basketball battle. His first half technical for jawing went quite well with his 9pt. 5 reb showing in 30 minutes of play. I actually didn't want to post this because I respected Harris more than any other Cuse player entering the game. You have to like the way he plays hard and boards. But, it seems Harris's mouth is bigger than his game at this point. He is not a player that is capable of taking a game over, and therefore should not be garunteeing a win. This is one of the dumber comments I've heard a player make, and it doesn't show a whole lot of sportsmanship not crediting the other team following a loss. Go Pitt!

Pollsters

The following post was written yesterday. Apparently I was wrong. Maybe the pollsters deserve a little more credit than I thought. I think that dropping to 4 in both polls is a fair drop.

I know the polls don't really mean a whole lot at this point, but I think when they come out today the Panthers will have dropped a significant amount. Save yourself the jaw popping anger seen above and prepare yourself for it. I am predicting the Panthers fall all the way to 6th and possibly 7th. They will drop behind Wake, Uconn, and Duke, almost assuredly. I'm sure they will also fall below Oklahoma and UNC. There is also a possibility that Syracuse passes them up. This should show us all how ridiculous the polls are and that we shouldn't even bother looking at them. What is worse? a road loss to Louisville, or a home loss to BC, a home loss to Cleveland State, and a road loss to Arkansas. I can deal with Wake, Duke and UCONN being vaulted above the Panthers. But I believe the losses of the other teams are far worse and don't merrit them jumping the panthers. So, do yourself a favor. When the polls come out today, don't even bother looking. Save yourself the anger. Go enjoy the game tonight and know that the Panthers will have lots of chances to prove themselves starting tonight.

K for Krazy?

Sorry for the long delay between posts. We have been away over the holidays and didn't have the access to the computer to keep updated on posts.

Today at the half-time of the Syracuse ND game Coach K was on speaking about the strength of his league. Coach K suggested that the ACC is the most talented league in the country and acted as if it was ridiculous to think otherwise. Does the K in his name stand for Krazy? Coach K's sole argument was that the teams are experienced and they have 4 teams in the Top 10. Yes, Wake undefeated at number 2, Duke w/ one loss at number 3, Carolina w/ two losses at number 6(I don't agree with this after losing to BC who gets it handed to them by Harvard at home, then Miami, and then Wake) and Clemson at number 10 undefeated is impressive. I guess Coach K's argument is that the Big East only has three so the ACC is better. But lets look at this a little more. Does this Clemson season look similar to any past Clemson seasons too anyone else? They go undefeated, then they will lose to the big boys in the league (Carolina or Duke) and fall apart. Don't expect them to stay in the top 10 too long. Now Carolina, any other team would be crucified for a loss to BC at home. But not Carolina, in fact, they still received first place votes the week after??? Then they lose again at Wake and drop 3-4 slots down to 6th? Yes, Carolina is very good, and I don't doubt that they will be right near the top of the rankings at the end of the season...but in the past few games, I don't think they have been playing like a top 5 or maybe even top 10 team. I also love that Coach K sets his cut off at number 10, considering the Big East aside from having 3 in the top 10, has teams sititng at 12,13, and 14. And, would any team in the ACC really want to play Louisville who is number 20. This is a team that always starts slow, but by the end of the year Pitino has them running on all cylinders. So to review: The ACC has 4 teams in the top 10. Number 10 Clemson is almost a gauruntee to drop from the rankings in my book and maybe even drop from the top 15. This would leave Wake, UNC, and Duke as the ACC's lone representatives in the top 15. The Big East now has 3 teams in the top 10. In the top 15 there are 6 teams. I believe there is no way that Louisville will not eventually be a top 15 team. That would give the Big East 7 in the top 15 compared to 3 from the ACC. Some teams may beat each other up and drop that to 6 from the Big East. Still, the BE is much stronger than the ACC this year. I understand Coach K sticking up for his league, but right now the BE is much stronger because of its size and depth. If the BE were broken into two leagues and all of these teams didn't have to beat each other up I think you would see possibly more top 15 teams. Critics of the BE are going to give them crap when they beat each other up, but lets not kid oursevles, this is hands down the best league in the country. Hopefully, Georgetown can go out and stop this silliness by handing it to Duke today. But if they don't, don't grant the ACC supremecy, after all, Georgetown is the fourth best team in the BE (and Pitt hammered them at GU) and Duke is considered 2nd in the ACC by many.